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Frequently asked questions

Q1: Why does this article include hard rock bands like Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple who are not heavy metal?

A1: Reliable sources support the view that bands like Led Zeppelin were considered heavy metal in their time and were major pioneers of the genre in its early stages. There has been a long-standing consensus to include an explanation of their role in the article.

Q2: Why is hard rock not one of the stylistic origins in the infobox.

A2: Hard rock and heavy metal were used interchangeably for at least a decade, therefore one is not the progenitor of the other.

Q3: Didn't Black Sabbath invent heavy metal, for example by adopting the tritone?

A3: Black Sabbath made an important contribution to the development of heavy metal, but reliable sources indicate that they were only one of a number of bands that contributed to that process.

Q4: Aren't metal and heavy metal different genres?

A4: Reliable sources indicate that metal is just an abbreviation for heavy metal. The terms are sometimes used in different contexts, but it would be confusing to have separate Wikipedia articles about what is essentially the same genre.

Heavy metal in Muslim majority countries was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 02 March 2009 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Heavy metal music. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

On 12 June 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Heavy metal. The result of the discussion was not moved.

"Extreme heterosexualist ideology"

"Attendees of metal concerts do not dance in the usual sense. It has been argued that this is due to the music's largely male audience and "extreme heterosexualist ideology".

What is this statement, besides ridicilous? Wolfram1987 (talk) 19:55, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the references, it appears to be referenced from the writings of published author Deena Weinstein (PhD). Sergecross73 msg me 20:15, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Largely male" is fair, but to describe a subculture where Judas Priest and Queen are as revered as they are in metal circles as "extreme heterosexualist", well...Maybe it "has been argued", but including that in the article seems like giving it undue weight. Rob Halfords own wiki-page mentions that "Halford has previously spoken about the level of acceptance of his sexuality within the metal community, calling it accepting and inclusive.", and on the subject matter I'm prepared to say that "being Rob Halford" lends more credibility to speak on this particular subject than does "has a PhD in Sociology". Wolfram1987 (talk) 21:18, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The commentary is in reference to the genre in a general sense. Anecdotes from a non-heterosexual frontman don't discredit it on a whole. You'd be better off trying to add a counterpoint from Halford than trying to delete the criticism wholesale. Sergecross73 msg me 21:48, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thats really stupid. 2603:6011:F400:DAC:D8E7:7874:6DFB:9228 (talk) 12:09, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Metal (group)" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Metal (group) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 12 § Metal (group) until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 15:36, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Ragnarock music" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Ragnarock music has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 12 § Ragnarock music until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 18:02, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Bienver metal" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Bienver metal has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 13 § Bienver metal until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 18:06, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Genre

Metal is not a subgenre of Rock it mostly in style spun off of blues and classical, if you listen to the founding fathers of the genre. 2603:6011:F400:DAC:D8E7:7874:6DFB:9228 (talk) 12:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]